I KNOW WHERE GOD CAME FROM

I KNOW WHERE GOD CAME FROMWhen I was very young,I was one day asked, whether I believedin evolution or that God made meI answered, why can we not believe in both?I was quickly told that it has to be one or the other.Keep this thought in mind, as you proceedto read and ponder an amazingly shocking possibilityTo begin this eye-opening experience-Let’s say that you are the owner of a vicious dogYou know this dog is very vicious and that you musttake great care to always monitor and control itStill, it came to pass that one day,the dog got out and attacked and killed a small childAre you not,as the owner and the one who was in control of the dogresponsible for tragedy that has taken place?You bet you are,and criminal charges would soon be pendingNow, follow me along on thisSometime back there was a great tsunami on Christmas daythat killed over 217,000 peopleNow if there is a God who was in control of all thingsand who had the power to keep this kind of disaster from happening-Yet, he chose not to do so, for whatever reasoning…Would he not be morally responsiblefor the destruction and loss of life that resulted?The only way he would not be responsible and accountable,would be if he was not responsible for it happening in the first placenor did he have the power necessary to stop it from happeningWell maybe… just maybe…. God wasn’t even there…. to do eitherFour Radical Propositions1 What if…God did not create this world or the universe2 What if…In order for God to exist , to be real...God had to have a beginning3 What if…God evolved ...Where did God evolve from or have his beginning?First, we need a world in evidence ..a world of intelligent species-There is only one that we know of…how about OURS!!God had a beginning … God began here in this world as a Human (humanity)and Charles Darwin was indeed right about evolution prior to GodIf humanity has been around…lets say 50-60 thousands years-how long would it take for a being to evolve into God?...millions or maybe billions of years.... you bet!!So how can this be ....if man has only been here for thousands of years?4th Radical Proposition4 What if…God evolved from humanityand came back in time to save the world on which he evolvedLet's ponder this for a momentWho came first God or Man? (most if not all, would say God)Are we really comfortable with that answer??Let’s look at and ponder… a different viewMan is in the world as God once wasGod is in the world as Man may becomeOr maybe…God who is our future…came from humans who are his pastNow, let’s ponder some deeper thingsIf the God of perfect love,actually evolved from the human race…Would he ever have, anything to do with, or any part in,the destruction and death of another human being?Any book of Scripture that commands, justifies, or excusesone person killing another person in the name of religion,or country, or justice-such a book does not come from God, it is written purely by menAny book of Scripture that presents Godas an angry god, a wrathful god, a vengeful god, a jealous god;that book was not authored by your Heavenly Father-it came strictly from menAny book of Scripture that demeans and humiliates women;that puts forth the idea that women are nothing but theserving vessels of men-such a book does not come from GodIt was written by men for menAny book of Scripture that promotes the doctrine, the beliefin hell fire and brimstone and final judgment;does not come from God-it comes from menWisdom 12:15-17Thus would such men as these fashion God like unto themselves,that he might not rise above their own image and likeness,being small and filled with pettinessThat even as they are filled with anger,so then is the god of their understanding made angry also;as they are filled with hate and loathing,so have they fashioned god;as they are made subject unto wrath and vengeance,so have they made subject unto like passionsthe god of their own understandingWhy then will you be made to fear such a god as this,who by vain passions is made no greater than the least of you?Will you love him for the sake of fear only?Furthermore;Your Heavenly Fatherhas never commanded any man to kill another personWisdom 22:24For at no time have I commanded that one man should slay another-for this is an abomination unto meWisdom 12:55-57Guard yourselves therefore,against the righteousness of churchgoers;for by word and deed would they hope to make yousubject unto certain men of authority,that they might hedge up the way against you,that you might be encompassed round aboutwith doctrines and creeds of menWatch, therefore and beware:For in the beginning did the teachers and preachersof the church seize the keys of deep knowledgeand with great cunning did they hide thembeneath the robes of their authority,securing them against you for the sake of their traditionsI tell you truly, they shall not enter into the kingdom of God,neither would they permit that you should enter eitherLet's now, take a look at what Yahushuah himselfsaid about the doctrine of "blood atonement"which we have been taught all of our livesWisdom 14:53,54For such exaltation as God would givecomes not by reason of my death upon the cross,but it is my word which gives eternal life,for the words which I speak are spirit, and they are lifeWhat shall it profit a manif he believe in my death and burial,or if he take delight in my resurrectionbut does not the things that I say?For I have left unto all who will,an example that they should follow in my steps,that they might become even as the Only Begotten of the FatherWisdom 12:24-27By such contrivancewould the teachers and preachers of religionseparate you from the love of God;that being made fearful,they might hedge up the way against youlest you should by some meansfind again the Father and liveThus would they make Christ unlike the natural man,being perfect; that by his deathall people might stand condemned before the cross,being made worthy of all reproachWhosoever has ears to hear, let them hear;for I tell you truly that the love of God manifest itselfnot in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christas these men would have you suppose,but rather in those thingswhich Yeshua desired to teach unto the children of menThat by the exercise of a goodly faith unto good works,they might draw nigh again unto the Father of their soul,being made holy even as he is holyWhat about the doctrine of the Virgin birth?Wisdom 12:3-7Consider how the teachers and preachers of religionhave desired to remove you from the Father of your soul,for fear that you should take to yourself some knowledge of himFor they and their fathers before themhave established a multitude of doctrines and creedswhich have become as a wall to separate you from God;that no one should by any means approach nigh unto Godexcept that they first go to the builders of the wallThus would they have you believe that this onewhom they call Christ should be brought forth of a virgin,being conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit;that he, being unlike the natural man, might be made free from sinThus, by such a birth would they make Christa stranger unto the children of men;for they desired to hedge up the way, round about,against even all who would come to a knowledge of GodFor by reason of your natural birthhave they proclaimed through a million preachersthat all people are filled with evil and corruption continually,having been made partakers of Adam's transgressionWisdom 12:28,49For even God your Fathercame forth to dwell upon the earth,even as a man having flesh and bone like unto yourselves,being born unto life even as you were bornFor your God is not without understandingconcerning the frailties of man,for even so great a one as hethought it not unseemly to become as one of youwhen he came as Yeshua to walk upon the earthWisdom 12:28-34Come now and hear again this parable:For it so happened that on a certain day,Yeshua of Nazareth went walking by the sea,and in the heat of the dayhe rested himself beneath the palmsNow there came unto him this Jesus Christ of the Christianswearing garments made red with blood,and he desired to contend with Yeshua,seeing that he was aloneAnd sitting himself down,Jesus Christ and Yeshuaspoke unto one another all that dayAnd in the evening tide,when the wind caressed the waters of the seaand the birds of the air made ready their nests,Yeshua rose from his place and speaking unto Christ, said:"My friend, I fear that you and I shall never agree"And Yeshua turned himself again unto the children of his soul,being made joyful that he should walk among themBut Christ, rising from his place, turned himself againunto the doctrines and creeds of the faithful;muttering to himself always concerning the works and deedsof saints and martyrs, popes and preachersHear now this great mystery and ponder:For this Yeshua of Nazarethwhom these men would call Christ,even he is the Father of your soul,being Emmanuel unto the children of menWhy, therefore, would you let such teachingsas these men would afford,separate you from the Father who loves you?Or, why will you not believe?

Wow...Too many questions to answer them all...However, I feel that Lee did a good job of bringing it back to the most important issues. One thing of note...Your theory that man can become a god is present in virtually every non-judeo-Christian religion, particularly in the New Age teachings. However, this is not a new concept. If you read Genesis, when the serpent(Nachash=Shining one) told Eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge, she would become a god. This is the same lie that has been told since the garden, and there is absolutely no physical evidence to back it up in terms of evolutionary theory. The great thing about the bible is that it is tried and true. People have been attempting to disprove it for thousands of years, and there is still no piece of hard evidence which does so. If you want to read a great introductory book that will answer some of the most commonly asked questions about Christianity, check out Lee Strobel's A Case for a Creator, and also A Case For Christ. Also, if you don't feel like buying a book, I recently came across the podcasts of Dr. William Lane Craig. He is one of the most succinct and intelligent apologists for the Christian faith that I've heard...Here's a link to his website: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/PageServer If you let go of your preconceived notions and approach the Bible with logic and humility its difficult not to see if for what it is, the inspired word of God. May God bless you in your search for the truth!

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Sky June 16, 2010 at 6:42am

@sven: "while He unleashes plagues darker than the space between galaxies" <--- nice!
Sven Jacobs June 15, 2010 at 8:13pm

You argue that God is morally responsible for tsunamis that He's invariably in charge of - what does that mean? What do you mean He is 'morally responsible'? Are you saying He owes something to these people? Are you implying that He should be placed in the docks and be judged by jurors? And if so, by what standard? What Decalogue of Deities are you appealing to? What Ten Commandments written by some Hand mightier than Jehovah's are you referencing? If God wants to commit us (and us alone) to laws and rules regarding harming other people, then why shouldn't He? If He wants us not to commit mass genocide, while He unleashes plagues darker than the space between galaxies, then what right can you appeal to and what rule can you cite to insist that He shouldn't? He created the moral laws we are to follow; why should we presume the moral laws created Him?

Anyway, it should not shock the Bible reader to know that God creates natural disasters. For that befits everything the Bible says: "I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7).
Sky June 11, 2010 at 9:57am

Good grief. It's crazy how easy it is to weave a seemingly "logical" argument against God. But this whole thing starts with confusing man's knowledge and understanding of God with the existence of God. Think about it: God, if divine at all, must be eternal. And what is eternal, being beyond all time and space, does not change. So then, God WAS and IS and IS TO COME. Our understanding of God evolves and changes. Our theology changes. God remains the same. And thank God for that! lol =) Thanks for the adventure in craziness!
Micah Gunnell May 25, 2010 at 10:43pm

Wow...Too many questions to answer them all...However, I feel that Lee did a good job of bringing it back to the most important issues. One thing of note...Your theory that man can become a god is present in virtually every non-judeo-Christian religion, particularly in the New Age teachings. However, this is not a new concept. If you read Genesis, when the serpent(Nachash=Shining one) told Eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge, she would become a god. This is the same lie that has been told since the garden, and there is absolutely no physical evidence to back it up in terms of evolutionary theory. The great thing about the bible is that it is tried and true. People have been attempting to disprove it for thousands of years, and there is still no piece of hard evidence which does so. If you want to read a great introductory book that will answer some of the most commonly asked questions about Christianity, check out Lee Strobel's A Case for a Creator, and also A Case For Christ. Also, if you don't feel like buying a book, I recently came across the podcasts of Dr. William Lane Craig. He is one of the most succinct and intelligent apologists for the Christian faith that I've heard...Here's a link to his website: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/PageServer If you let go of your preconceived notions and approach the Bible with logic and humility its difficult not to see if for what it is, the inspired word of God. May God bless you in your search for the truth!
Calvary Comics May 11, 2010 at 11:49am

Amen, Lee! Well said.
Lee Weeks May 10, 2010 at 9:36pm

Among other things, you wrote: "Are we really comfortable with that answer??"

Wilbur, truth cannot be determined nor validated by whether or not we are "comfortable" with it.

Are you following the teachings of AZRAEL ONDI-AHMAN? From your earlier blog on the heretical teaching of the serpent seed doctrine, I was under the impression you were a follower of the false prophet, William Branham. Azrael (aka Archie Wood) rejects the bible as the inspired Word of God, which is foundational to the Christian experience and is God's written revelation of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Do you have reasons other than your lack of comfort with it to reject the bible, Wilbur?

The bible is not a single book written by one man asking we place all of our trust into his singular revelation. Rather, it is 66 books penned by 40 authors over 1500 years that incredibly contains a unified message, complete with accurate prophecies fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Only God could author such a book.

You will find the truth and salvation in one name only -- Jesus Christ. I hope you will learn to put all faith and trust in Him.

God bless--

Lee
Dan Conner May 8, 2010 at 9:34pm

i didn't read all of your post, i'll admit

but your premise is not all too different from the premise of the Mormons- that God is a human from another solar system- just as our humans can become gods in other solar systems.

also-
"Wisdom" does that refer to the aporyphal book of that title?

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