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Well took me over a year, but I finished the correspondence course at the Joe kubert school, heros and superheros.  I did a pencil version and used my last page of trace paper to do inks. 

Like before the final was rushed because I wanted to get it done quick instead of stewing over it and it never getting done at all.3449076874?profile=original

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  • Yep, was talking bout Paolo, he sure does like his magnets.

  • @Alika Yes, they have drawn for regular comics titles - but their art style is, at least to me, cartoony/cartooning - even if they have done classic comic titles for DC, Marvel, or whomever. There can be an overlap. And sometimes it's stronger for some artists more than others. 

    Kirby falls into the oddball category. His stuff is almost more icon like. Especially his later works. Capullo might be a mix - I don't know enough of his work*. If by Rivera, you mean Paolo Rivera, he would fall into the regular comics category, as do Ditko, and Buscema - though Ditko uses a little more exaggeration than Buscema.

    Please note, the following sentence should be fixed to read:

    "But this does not mean that some of these definitions can't bleed over into each other, and some artists kind of do both but neither at the same time."

    So, in a broad sense, perhaps all of it is "cartooning" since things are being exaggerated, twisted, shaped and formed - however some artists use more "realism" than others. I guess one way to look at it is "Does this art look cartoon-ish or does it look more real-ish?" I suppose, cartoons also lean a little more to the humorous and satirical.

    Of course there is the overlap, since comics and cartoons, so to speak, use the same fundamentals of drawing - there just might be a slight philosophical difference into the final execution that makes the difference. And it could be very slight.

    Now, if you want an artist to transcend all boundaries and mess with your head: Will Eisner. He made "realistic cartoons". Make of that what you will.

    *Just looked at Capullo - for the most part I would put him in the regular camp, though there are some exaggerations that show up, which hint at understanding cartooning.

    Perhaps this definition from Wikipedia will help:

    A cartoon is a form of two-dimensional illustrated visual art. While the specific definition has changed over time, modern usage refers to a typically non-realistic or semi-realistic drawing or painting intended for satire, caricature, or humor, or to the artistic style of such works. An artist who creates cartoons is called a cartoonist.[1]

    The term originated in the Middle Ages and first described a preparatory drawing for a piece of art, such as a painting, fresco, tapestry, or stained glass window. In the 19th century, it came to refer to humorous illustrations in magazines and newspapers, and in the early 20th century and onward it referred to comic strips and animated films.[2]

  • @Martin All the "In-between 'Cartooning-like' and 'comic-like'" artists you listed have drawn for the "Regular comics" you listed. What would you consider a "Regular comic" artist? Like a Capullo or a Rivera, or more of a Kirby, Ditko, Buscema moreso type of style?

  • Cartooning is an "approach". It's kind of like using animation principles to make comics. Does that make sense? Some comics are more "realistic", others are more "cartoony". Therefore you get comics and cartooning. 

    Cartooning, in my opinion, allows for more exaggerated looks and expressions, and can give your characters more flexibility in reactions.


    Examples: Mad and Cracked magazine are Cartoons. Batman and X-Men are regular comics. BUT where the fun comes in, is that Batman and X-Men can be executed in a cartoon manner.

    Cartooning can be used with sarcasm, humor, caricature and is often associated with child-like looking things. It usually (not always) breaks things down to it's simplest form, and is more iconic in it's approach than say regular comics.  The further away from reality, or the more exaggerated with the drawing, the closer to cartoons you get.

    But this doesn't mean that some of these definitions can bleed over into each other and some artists kind of do both but neither at the same time.

    Cartooning approach (in comics): Garfield, Little Lulu, Donald Duck, Bone, Groo, Usagi Yojimbo, Asterix and Obelix, Doug Tennapel

    In-between "Cartooning-like" and "comic-like": Danger Girl, Howard the Duck, Maus, Tintin- Artists: Humberto Ramos, Joe Mad, Adam Warren, Jason Pearson, Mike Wieringo 


    Regular comics: Batman, X-Men, Superman, Animal Man, Swamp thing, Avengers etc.

    Artists that sort of use both approaches but don't fit into a neat category: Frank Miller, Hernandez Bros. (Love and Rockets), Chris Ware, Art Spiegleman...the list goes on...

    I don't know if this clears anything up, or if it muddies it even more. But essentially - having classic fundamental drawing skill will always be to your benefit no matter the approach.

  • Congratulations on finishing! That's quite an achievement!

  • I guess I meant this page looks like it's animated. From panel to panel the action moves swiftly for static images.

  • I think the industry definition is cartooning is anything animated depicting human interaction, fantasy, etc.  So Michael Turner's soulfire (a book) and disney's Hercules (a movie) are lumped into the same catagory because its animated people in made up situations.  The difference I guess would be Comic cartooning is in book form and animated cartooning is a movie/tv show.

    I guess, I dunno.

    Alika Parsons said:

    Is this class for cartooning or for comics is there a difference? Did they ever cover any type of distinction or was it just a cover all bases type of thing?

    final assignment
    Well took me over a year, but I finished the correspondence course at the Joe kubert school, heros and superheros.  I did a pencil version and used m…
  • Very animated type style!

  • Is this class for cartooning or for comics is there a difference? Did they ever cover any type of distinction or was it just a cover all bases type of thing?

  • Growth!

    Some of your best work so far. I really like the hand coming out of the water. The monster rising is pretty cool too.

    Martin

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